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mr. romney worked both those strategies last night and mr. romney, of course, won the debate, on style, on presentation, he won on demeanor. now day two is the attempted cleanup for things he actually said. today has been a day of mr. romney's campaign saying he did not mean what he said about people with pre-existing conditions being able to get health insurance. his campaign said today he does not have a plan for that even though he said he did. the romney campaign today said he did not mean what he said about half the energy companies supported by the obama administration going bankrupt. he didn't actually mean that. sort of rolled over from democratic and liberal bewilderment last night that mr. romney was abandoning his main economic plan that he was running on, his $5 trillion tax cut plan, his big trickle-down plan, to be rolled over from democrats being bewildered about that to the beltway press and mainstream pundits i think now having a hard time deciding whether they are supposed to call that a lie or whether they're supposed to ju
mr. romney worked both those strategies last night and mr. romney, of course, won the debate, on style, on presentation, he won on demeanor. now day two is the attempted cleanup for things he actually said. today has been a day of mr. romney's campaign saying he did not mean what he said about people with pre-existing conditions being able to get health insurance. his campaign said today he does not have a plan for that even though he said he did. the romney campaign today said he did not mean...
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are people on social security the kinds of voters that you are talking about, mr. romney, in this debate tonight, when you say government is paying too big a role in people's lives. that's a tricky one for him to walk out of. >> are the elderly moochers? he's going to have to answer that question. >> service members on disability? i mean same thing. >> coming on the heels of the romney campaign trying to use joe biden's biden-esque turn of phrase the middle class has been buried and you know, biden has walked that back, you know, is it an indictment of the president? look if you're going to fight for the ground on the middle class i don't know that joe biden is the person you want to be sparring against. >> he is by far the best middle class, working-class figure in this race. but to me, the hannity, drudge, obama thing, the ryan thing, i mean, really? this is all they got? i mean, i found the -- i found nothing that obama said in that speech objectionable or disagreeable, similarly, i find ryan's thing not -- i mean there's a sophisticated and legitimate argument
are people on social security the kinds of voters that you are talking about, mr. romney, in this debate tonight, when you say government is paying too big a role in people's lives. that's a tricky one for him to walk out of. >> are the elderly moochers? he's going to have to answer that question. >> service members on disability? i mean same thing. >> coming on the heels of the romney campaign trying to use joe biden's biden-esque turn of phrase the middle class has been...
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mr. romney's put himself in a box and president obama knows it. with 29 days to go, and you can say governor romney is between barack and a hard place. joining me now is an opinion writer for "the washington post" and an msnbc contributor and margorie, democratic strategist. thanks to you both for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> jonathan, it seems like there's a lot of around mr. romney's policies. >> yeah. absolutely, rev. because we've spent so much time focused on his performance and that's sort of the sugar high from the debate on wednesday but then you start focusing in on what he actually said and there's a lot there. as you said, he's boxed himself in a corner. you know, for instance, on his tax policy, on the $716 billion that he says the president is cutting out of medicare which is also in his running mate's own budget, just done in different ways, yeah, he's boxed himself in a corner and i think a lot of democrats hope and we've seen on the campaign trail since the debate that the president is pushing back on a lot of things that h
mr. romney's put himself in a box and president obama knows it. with 29 days to go, and you can say governor romney is between barack and a hard place. joining me now is an opinion writer for "the washington post" and an msnbc contributor and margorie, democratic strategist. thanks to you both for being here tonight. >> thank you. >> jonathan, it seems like there's a lot of around mr. romney's policies. >> yeah. absolutely, rev. because we've spent so much time...
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mr. romney saying that the president was like one of his sons. joining us there the university of denver, the site of tonight's debate, former new york mayor, rudy giuliani. thank you very much for your time. nice to have you here. >> thank you, rachel. >> what was your overall response to the debate? we know you support mitt romney but what do you think he did well? >> i really am very excited about it. i thought he did exactly what he had to do to turn this campaign around. i thought it was as devastating a convict a and defeat i've seen in a presidential campaign and debate. i thought the main thing he did and a real consistency throughout what he was saying and this is the contrast for the american people. he's talking about private-sector problems and solutions to our problems, to our economy, education, health care. and president obama is talking about government solutions. it's a very different vision that the two men have. i think president obama, also, seemed a little beif yofuddled. i'm not sure he's used to be challenged and he seemed
mr. romney saying that the president was like one of his sons. joining us there the university of denver, the site of tonight's debate, former new york mayor, rudy giuliani. thank you very much for your time. nice to have you here. >> thank you, rachel. >> what was your overall response to the debate? we know you support mitt romney but what do you think he did well? >> i really am very excited about it. i thought he did exactly what he had to do to turn this campaign around....
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>> this was mr. romney's long awaited etch a sketch moment at the debate. they decided he was going to pivot from this severe conservative he had been running as during the primary into a more moderate version of his former self and it's clearly incumbent on the obama campaign to keep him in the box they've placed him in, he's too conservative, extreme, out of touch with the american people. i think clearly president obama missed the opportunity to do that during the debate. he kind of let mr. romney climb out of that kind of space that they had put him in, but there will be many other opportunities as we see the president's back strong on the stump hammering romney. there will be another debate. we forget it's a long time ago, mondale wins the first debate against reagan, reagan comes back and cleans his clock in the second one. john kerry in 2004, you remember, won the first debate, against george bush. george bush similarly seemed very unhappy to be there as the president. bush comes back in the second one and wins, goes on to win. so lots of opportunity
>> this was mr. romney's long awaited etch a sketch moment at the debate. they decided he was going to pivot from this severe conservative he had been running as during the primary into a more moderate version of his former self and it's clearly incumbent on the obama campaign to keep him in the box they've placed him in, he's too conservative, extreme, out of touch with the american people. i think clearly president obama missed the opportunity to do that during the debate. he kind of...
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the explanation from the romney campaign is mr. romney was not pulling notes out of his pocket. he was pulling out of his pocket a handkerchief. sure enough, a little later on, oop, in the debate mr. romney is seen wiping his nose with said handkerchief. so whether you are persuaded by mitt romney wiping his nose on what is supposed to be his crib sheet notes, if you're on the left, again, like this is a conspiracy theory that just does not help. president obama did not win the first debate against mitt romney. whether or not you're happy about that, he didn't win. but if your takeaway from this conspiracy theory in this debate is the reason the president didn't win is because mitt romney cheated, then what is the utility of that theory for you? what is the utility of that information? how do you think president obama should then prepare for the second debate? should he just do exactly what he did this past wednesday night, except keep a closer eye out for the cheating because that is the only reason he lost? i mean, it may be comforting to tell yourself this is what really went
the explanation from the romney campaign is mr. romney was not pulling notes out of his pocket. he was pulling out of his pocket a handkerchief. sure enough, a little later on, oop, in the debate mr. romney is seen wiping his nose with said handkerchief. so whether you are persuaded by mitt romney wiping his nose on what is supposed to be his crib sheet notes, if you're on the left, again, like this is a conspiracy theory that just does not help. president obama did not win the first debate...
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a cnn orc poll shows 67% of registered voters chose mr. romney as the winner. 25% picked mr. obama. uncommitted voters 46% identified romney as the winner, 22% barack obama. they brought up countless statistics and figures of cuts and increases. andrea mitchell looked into the truth. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. my plan is not to add to the deficit. >> romney proposed making the bush tax cuts permanent for all levels. he would repeal the alternative minimum tax and the estate tax. the snon-partisan tax said it would cost $4.8 trillion over ten years. romney said his plan would be paid for. to pay for the cuts, he would have to close loopholes in the tax codes and get red of deductions and credits. he hasn't said which he'd get rid of, saying he would work with congress. president obama said his plan would cut the deficit by $4 trillion. >> we all know we have to do more. so, i put forward a specific $4 trillion deficit reduction plan. it's on a website. you can look at all the numbers, what cuts we make and what revenue we raise. >> that c
a cnn orc poll shows 67% of registered voters chose mr. romney as the winner. 25% picked mr. obama. uncommitted voters 46% identified romney as the winner, 22% barack obama. they brought up countless statistics and figures of cuts and increases. andrea mitchell looked into the truth. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. my plan is not to add to the deficit. >> romney proposed making the bush tax cuts permanent for all levels. he would repeal the...
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romney as the winner while 25% chose mr. obama. a cbs snap poll showed that 45% identified mitt romney while 22% said barack obama won and 32% called it a tie. the candidates tangled over taxes and figures of cuts or increases. andrea mitchell looked into the truth behind the rhetoric of both candidates. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. >> reporter: romney has proposed making the bush tax cuts permanent for all tax levels and then cutting all rates an additional 20%. he would repeal the alternative minimum tax and repeal the estate tax. they said mitt romney's tax plan would cost $4.8 trillion over ten years. he said his plan would be paid for but to pay for those he would have to close loopholes and get rid of some tax deductions, he said, and tax credits, but he's repeatedly refused to say which deductions he would get rid of saying he would work with congress to make those decisions. also president
romney as the winner while 25% chose mr. obama. a cbs snap poll showed that 45% identified mitt romney while 22% said barack obama won and 32% called it a tie. the candidates tangled over taxes and figures of cuts or increases. andrea mitchell looked into the truth behind the rhetoric of both candidates. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. >> reporter:...
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case in point, mr. romney's tax plan. for months he's been telling us that he'll cut everyone's taxes by 20%. so some of the country's brightest economists did the math and found that romney's tax plan promises to cut taxes by $5 trillion without adding to the deficit. but when mitt romney took to the stage last night, he delivered a line that beggared belief. >> no economist can say mitt romney's tax plan adds $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. >> so black is white, up is down, and everything is the way he says it is in the world of mitt romney. like yago, mitt romney delivered those lines in the presence of a black man, but on this occasion the president would not be deceived. he allowed mr. romney to rehearse the full extent of his lie and then just a few hours ago drew our attention to what really happened last night. >> the real mitt romney has been running around the country for the last year promising $5 trillion in tax cuts in favor of the wealthy. the fellow on stage last night s
case in point, mr. romney's tax plan. for months he's been telling us that he'll cut everyone's taxes by 20%. so some of the country's brightest economists did the math and found that romney's tax plan promises to cut taxes by $5 trillion without adding to the deficit. but when mitt romney took to the stage last night, he delivered a line that beggared belief. >> no economist can say mitt romney's tax plan adds $5 trillion if i say i will not add to the deficit with my tax plan. >>...
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romney bore in with details about his record. it's clear mr. obama isn't used to someone challenging the attack lines that he uses to describe mr. romney's various proposals on the stump." and again, where was the 47%? where was it? he just didn't go there? >> that's the great mystery. >> the thing that's true in both these editorials that i do think one of the president's failures here was not just the stylistic failure, was a substantive failure. mitt romney made a lot of claims last night. he said a lot of things we've never heard from him before. he tried to claim he doesn't want to cut a $5 trillion tax cut. he said that no tax cut he imposes will add to the deficit. that's totally new. he doesn't want to cut medicare. the president let all of that go largely. >> why? >> didn't challenge romney on what deductions and loopholes he wants to close in order to make his deficit plan revenue neutral. those are all things where the president manifestly failed last night, but they are things that the campaign is now going to litigate over the cour
romney bore in with details about his record. it's clear mr. obama isn't used to someone challenging the attack lines that he uses to describe mr. romney's various proposals on the stump." and again, where was the 47%? where was it? he just didn't go there? >> that's the great mystery. >> the thing that's true in both these editorials that i do think one of the president's failures here was not just the stylistic failure, was a substantive failure. mitt romney made a lot of...
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given that mr. romney and mr. ryan have given no details but have given a promise that they're going to reduce taxes by 20%, how does mitt romney deal with that tomorrow? what does he actually say that he has previously refused to say on explaining that? >> well, i think it's fascinating that they're treating mitt romney like he's the president and a lot in the media treat president obama like he's the challenger. what president george w. bush did when he was governor of texas is said i want to reduce taxes across the board and i want to make sure we have a balanced budget. he wasn't very specific during the campaign, and when he became president, he released a series of principles that went to capitol hill that said these are the measures that meet my -- >> here is the problem with that though, ron. people who have assessed his mathematics have deemed them to be completely impossible. michael, this is just in from mitt romney on how he'll pay for his massive 20% across the board tax cut. take a listen. >> everybo
given that mr. romney and mr. ryan have given no details but have given a promise that they're going to reduce taxes by 20%, how does mitt romney deal with that tomorrow? what does he actually say that he has previously refused to say on explaining that? >> well, i think it's fascinating that they're treating mitt romney like he's the president and a lot in the media treat president obama like he's the challenger. what president george w. bush did when he was governor of texas is said i...
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>>> and this is what it looks like for mr. romney. big bird is crashing the party and president obama continues to call the romney team out. >> now, my opponent, he's doing a lot of little -- a little tap dance at the debate the other night, trying to writiiggle out stuff he's been saying for a year. it was like dancing with the stars. >> all that plus, breaking news out of ohio tonight. a win for democracy. stay with us. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc. >> before the debate last night, there was a coin toss to see which candidate would speak first. it was an awkward moment when romney asked, what's that shiny little disk you're holding? ♪ [ male announcer ] introducing the all-new completely re-imagined 2013 chevrolet malibu. sleek new styling... sophisticated dual cockpit design, and sport sculpted seats. available chevrolet mylink infotainment system. the all-new 2013 chevrolet malibu. ♪ refined comfort to get you in a malibu state of mind no matter what state you live in. ♪ >>> are you part of the "politicsnation"
>>> and this is what it looks like for mr. romney. big bird is crashing the party and president obama continues to call the romney team out. >> now, my opponent, he's doing a lot of little -- a little tap dance at the debate the other night, trying to writiiggle out stuff he's been saying for a year. it was like dancing with the stars. >> all that plus, breaking news out of ohio tonight. a win for democracy. stay with us. you're watching "politicsnation" on msnbc....
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romney as the winner while 25% picked mr. obama. a cbs news snap poll of uncommitted voters found that 46% identified mitt romney as the winner, while 22% said barack obama won. 32% declared the debate a tie. while the candidates tangled over taxes, bringing up countless statistics and figures of cuts or increases, nbc news' andrea mitchell looked into the truth behind the rhetoric of both candidates. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. my plan is not to put in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. >> reporter: romney has proposed making the bush tax cuts permanent for all income levels and then cutting all rates an additional 20%. he would repeal the alternative minimum tax and permanently repeal the estate tax. the nonpartisan tax policy center concluded that mitt romney's tax plan would cost $4.8 trillion over ten years. romney said again tonight that his plan would be paid for, but to pay for those cuts, he would have to close loopholes in the tax code and get ri
romney as the winner while 25% picked mr. obama. a cbs news snap poll of uncommitted voters found that 46% identified mitt romney as the winner, while 22% said barack obama won. 32% declared the debate a tie. while the candidates tangled over taxes, bringing up countless statistics and figures of cuts or increases, nbc news' andrea mitchell looked into the truth behind the rhetoric of both candidates. >> let me repeat what i said. i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my...
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romney, congratulations mr. president on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most place you could imagine here with me. it was a great line from romney, not known to be funny. >> from the start, i think he picked up. he was able to work than extraordinarily confident fashion. he came in against tight, as mr. lipton indicated he owned that moment, owned that stage. he wanted to own obama with all of those troubling consequences, and he did so, i think, because he presumed that he would tell his facts, he would tell his truth, he would do it with vigor, and you can study every master, you connect emotionally, articulate your viewpoint and people believe in perception of your command. last night he was unquestioned in terms of his supremacy. >> that was significant. while romney was freely contradicting all of the previous romneys, he was unchallenged. unchallenged by the moderator. and unchallenged by the president. that, i thought, was extraordinary. i couldn't believe it. i kept waiting for the president to give answers that anyoneny one
romney, congratulations mr. president on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most place you could imagine here with me. it was a great line from romney, not known to be funny. >> from the start, i think he picked up. he was able to work than extraordinarily confident fashion. he came in against tight, as mr. lipton indicated he owned that moment, owned that stage. he wanted to own obama with all of those troubling consequences, and he did so, i think, because he presumed that he would...
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mrs. romney, then mrs. obama. and a coin toss determined the president will speak first with romney getting the last word. >> i'd ask the wealthy to pay a little more. >> more americans are living in poverty. >> reporter: after a relentless blitz of campaign ads and months hammering home familiar themes -- >> this is a country where everybody should get a fair shot and everybody should do their fair share. >> we can't afford four more years like the last four years. >> reporter: advisors on both sides agree tonight's debate presents a critical opportunity to break through to the american voter. >> this is an opportunity really to reach the voters that haven't yet made up their mind in an unfiltered way. >> they want to hear plans forward. they want to know what the president will do over the course of the next four years. and how exactly we'll get there. >> reporter: with polls showing mr. obama leading in the crucial swing states, top aides have encouraged the president to be himself, don't change what's working,
mrs. romney, then mrs. obama. and a coin toss determined the president will speak first with romney getting the last word. >> i'd ask the wealthy to pay a little more. >> more americans are living in poverty. >> reporter: after a relentless blitz of campaign ads and months hammering home familiar themes -- >> this is a country where everybody should get a fair shot and everybody should do their fair share. >> we can't afford four more years like the last four...
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. >> romney graciously followed suit with an easy quip. >> congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most romantic place you could imagine, here with me. >> reporter: and then they got down to business. the subject, jobs. romney took it to the president from the get-go. >> middle income families are being crushed. >> reporter: it was clear and direct and aggressive. romney seemed hon his game and ready for a fight. hammering away at the grim economic track record of the last four years. >> when the president took office, 32 million people on food stamps. 47 million on foot stamp today. economic growth this year, slower than last year. and last year, slower than the year before. going forward with the stat us can quo is not going to cut it for the american people who are struggling today. >> reporter: president obama seemed, at first, to wander a bit, but found his footing with an answer that slammed romney as the heir of failed trickle-down economics. >> math, common sense and our history shows us that's not a recipe for job growt
. >> romney graciously followed suit with an easy quip. >> congratulations to you, mr. president, on your anniversary. i'm sure this was the most romantic place you could imagine, here with me. >> reporter: and then they got down to business. the subject, jobs. romney took it to the president from the get-go. >> middle income families are being crushed. >> reporter: it was clear and direct and aggressive. romney seemed hon his game and ready for a fight. hammering...
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i'm one that thinks mr. romney might have made a mistake tonight. i think he was theatrical, but he gave so many answers that will be proven to be untrue. is it not the strategy of obama campaign to let the -- let mr. romney commit himself to things that will not stand the light of day, including his own former position? as i said before the debate, a rope-a-dope strategy? >> on romney's huge tax cut, which he did dishonestly try to run away from. i think the president did a good job of explaining to the middle class, you're going to pay the burden for a $5 trillion tax cut. that issue has been driving voters in this election and that was intensified tonight. the president was clear about pinning romney down on medicare. as we come out of this debate, we're going to be making sure people understand, and the president said this, romney says he's going to cut loopholes but he won't name them. romney said i'm going to replace obama care. romney said he's going to repeal wall street reform. as the president said, these are plans that are harm the middle
i'm one that thinks mr. romney might have made a mistake tonight. i think he was theatrical, but he gave so many answers that will be proven to be untrue. is it not the strategy of obama campaign to let the -- let mr. romney commit himself to things that will not stand the light of day, including his own former position? as i said before the debate, a rope-a-dope strategy? >> on romney's huge tax cut, which he did dishonestly try to run away from. i think the president did a good job of...
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romney are statistically tied there. according to our latest poll, mr. obama leads governor romney 47% to 46. the president has dropped two points since september. governor romney has gained one. >>> and with its ten media markets and diverse population, florida's a complicated and pricey state. joining us with more is mark ka pewto, political writer for "the miami herald," and back with us is anne kornblut from "the washington post." thanks to both of you. >> thank. >> mark, your newspaper also reported the race between president obama and mitt romney is at a virtual tie. here is how florida voted back in 2008. democrats won in the central and southern urban centers. republicans in the rural north and central. will the 2012 map look the same? >> oh, pretty much so. that's what the polling is showing currently. you know, southeast florida is rather liberal. florida's kind of an upsidedown state. the farther north you go, the deeper in the south you are. so the republican candidate does well in the north of florida and the democratic candidate generally d
romney are statistically tied there. according to our latest poll, mr. obama leads governor romney 47% to 46. the president has dropped two points since september. governor romney has gained one. >>> and with its ten media markets and diverse population, florida's a complicated and pricey state. joining us with more is mark ka pewto, political writer for "the miami herald," and back with us is anne kornblut from "the washington post." thanks to both of you. >>...
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romney won the debate. when asked who was more likeable, debate watchers gave the two candidates essentially equal marks. that's one piece of spin that doesn't quite pass the sniff test. decide for yourself if this one does from the campaign's ben lebold who suggested mitt romney last night was acting. >> it was performance art. he locked himself into some bad positions that he took during the republican primary, tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas, refusing to ask the wealthiest for a dime to reduce the deficit and those give us big openings to talk about on the campaign trail in key states in the weeks ahead. >> vice president biden, meantime, said his boss did a good job during a bright line between his policies and mitt romney's. >> i think the president did a wonderful job in making it clear just how stark that choice is. >> keeping them honest, that is precisely where the pundits, even those who support president obama, say he dropped the ball and when we asked our viewers whether mr. oba
romney won the debate. when asked who was more likeable, debate watchers gave the two candidates essentially equal marks. that's one piece of spin that doesn't quite pass the sniff test. decide for yourself if this one does from the campaign's ben lebold who suggested mitt romney last night was acting. >> it was performance art. he locked himself into some bad positions that he took during the republican primary, tax breaks for companies that ship jobs overseas, refusing to ask the...
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i don't want to move the cat. ♪ >> romney: thank you mr. president. >> obama: i want to thank the university of denver. ♪ >> debates are better. >> eliot: that was more fun to watch. the voter i.d. law stalls in pennsylvania. that's next on "viewpoint." economy on barack obama is kinda like blaming your hangover on the guy making breakfast. i like mitt romney but i'm sorry. they guy has flipped more than a crack house mattress. this campaign has become so toxic, beverly hills housewives are now injecting it into their foreheads. (vo) so current gave him a weekly show. >> i love romney's debate style, but i tell you, if i could be that stiff for 90 minutes, i'd ... (vo) we probably won't regret it. >> eliot: it was supposed to be the thing that would help mitt romney win the state of pennsylvania. don't take my word for it. here's pennsylvania state house republican leader mike turzai in june. >> voter i.d. which will allow governor romney to win the state of pennsylvania, done. >> eliot: actually, not quite done. on tuesday, a pennsylvani
i don't want to move the cat. ♪ >> romney: thank you mr. president. >> obama: i want to thank the university of denver. ♪ >> debates are better. >> eliot: that was more fun to watch. the voter i.d. law stalls in pennsylvania. that's next on "viewpoint." economy on barack obama is kinda like blaming your hangover on the guy making breakfast. i like mitt romney but i'm sorry. they guy has flipped more than a crack house mattress. this campaign has become so...